Season 1 Episode 3 Organizing & ADHD
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In this episode, I talk about what it really means to get organized when you have ADHD. We get into doom piles, clutter blindness, perfectionism, executive dysfunction, and the emotional rollercoaster of trying to start, maintain, and reset your spaces without burning out.
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ELIANNA (00:05)
Hi, I'm Elianna and welcome to ADHD FM, a podcast about discovering what it really means to be diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. I was diagnosed in my late thirties and a few years later, I'm still learning, reflecting and laughing my way through it. One thing I realized is that I didn't just want answers. I wanted connection with others who shared my experiences. I was searching for my people, for a community that understood how my brain works. I’m still on this journey, and now we'll explore it together. This is a place to talk honestly about life with ADHD. What's hard? What's easy? What helps? What doesn't? And what we're all still figuring out. I'm so glad you're here.
ELIANNA (00:47)
In today's episode, we're talking all about organizing, cleaning, and decluttering. We're interviewing an organizing expert and featuring a listener question from one of you, our great listeners. I really struggle with organizing and maintaining clutter-free and organized spaces, and I really always have.
I do like organizing, especially when it's all done and clean and I have a nice, beautiful, clear and organized space to work in. But I really struggle with getting things started and maintaining clutter-free spaces. Some things that have worked for me is having a deadline, like cleaning before a guest is coming over always works and a really helpful trick.Giving my brain a deadline to get things organized I love entertaining and so it's a great motivation for me people come over because I also get a clean house in the end. Also letting go the belief that less stuff is better because for me it's really not that black and white.
A lot of I feel like conventional ideas about organizing is you have to declutter, you have to have less stuff, you have to be a minimalist. doesn't always work for me because what ends up happening need chargers, for example, in many rooms. And if I don't have them, then it ends up things aren't charged or I have to move the charger from room to room and it ends up getting lost or misplaced or left somewhere. Then I don't remember where it is.
Really just letting myself know that what works for me is having multiples of things that I use on a regular basis and have easy access to has been key. Another important thing that's helped a lot with organizing and really storing stuff is having clear storage containers or having open shelving like in the kitchen. for me, really is out of sight, out of mind if I can't see it and it's not. Clearly visually displayed, then I don't know that it's there and I'll buy more, I don't know that I have it, I forget to use it, get frustrated because I can't find it even though it might be in a box, but if the box isn't clear or isn't labeled, then I'm still not able to find it.
So these things have helped me a lot in getting more organized, but it's still something that's very challenging. The executive function piece of having to organize and clean kind of continuously is a struggle. That's why I'm very excited to have our expert, Lorinda, on today to give us even more advice and systems and hopefully find something that works for you.
GUEST INTERVIEW
ELIANNA (03:36)
I'm so excited to have an organizing expert on this episode of our podcast.
Lorinda Dishington Ortiz is here with us today, and she is a registered nurse with over 20 years of experience working with neurodivergent children and their families, Most importantly, she is a neurodivergent woman who once had a lot of clutter. She owns Organize with Lorinda and works online helping women with ADHD declutter their homes. And I'm excited for many reasons. Organizing has been something that I've struggled with my whole life. Before I knew I had ADHD, after I knew I had ADHD. But I'm really excited that you're a nurse as well and that you've worked with children and families because families have a lot of stuff. And definitely when I had my daughter, it added.just so much more stuff and so much more stuff that I felt like I had to manage into the equation. So was like barely had a handle on my own stuff and then all her stuff started coming in and her gifts and et cetera, et cetera. we'll get right into it. So I have a few questions for you. And first I wanted to talk about doom piles because I just wanted to like rip the bandaid off and talk about the scary things first.
For anyone who doesn't know, how would you define doom piles?
LORINDA (04:58)
It stands for didn't organize, only moved. But it is so much more than that. Sometimes it's not just a pile or a box, but it's an entire room. In my case, it was an entire house. But basically, it's a collection of random stuff that you don't know what to do with, so you shove it in a pile to get it out of the way. And it's a bunch of delayed decisions that you eventually become completely blind to. to clutter blindness is a real thing. legitimately no longer see it, even though it's in plain sight.
ELIANNA (05:34)
Is that why my husband sees it I and don't see it? Wow, wow, okay.
LORINDA (05:37)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
And you know, sometimes a doom pile or a doom box or even a doom room is not a bad thing. As ADHDers, sometimes we just need a spot to give ourselves permission to be messy in. And that way it gets confined to that area and not spread throughout the rest of the house. So doom piles get a bad rap.
ELIANNA (06:00)
That makes a lot of sense. I actually I didn't know it was an acronym.
So that's very exciting to learn. And also, I've worked with an organizer in the past, and one thing that we did that really helped was, I worked with her every quarter, and we had recurring sessions. So she gave me a box, an empty box, and she said, in between our sessions, if there's anything you don't know what to do with, you can put it in this box. So having a place for it. it was like an okay Doom pile.but then we got to work on it together when she came back, so it made it a lot easier.
ELIANNA
Why do you think it's so common for people with ADHD to have multiple Doom piles?
LORINDA (06:40)
Because organizing requires a boatload of executive function. we need to plan. It's task initiation, working memory, sustained attention. It's all the things we struggle with. And we're doing it on the weekends when we're already exhausted from a busy week. And it just becomes all too much. So it's just easier to chuck it in a bin or a pile and just walk away.
ELIANNA (07:07)
I would agree. It's a break time on the weekends. I don't want to have to do any of those executive function things.
What's happening in the ADHD brain when the clutter starts to build up?
LORINDA (07:19)
Well, we literally become blind to it because of the overwhelm. our brains just start to shut down. And it starts off with a good intention, like, I'll do it later. But later never comes. And what a lot of people don't realize is that perfectionism is actually at the root of a lot of the clutter. It's that all or nothing mindset that if we can't do it right, then we shouldn't do it at all.
However, those perfect circumstances never happen, so stuff just continues to pile up. I like to say that perfectionism sucks, literally. It sucks away our life, our joy, our self-esteem, our self-worth. It keeps you frozen and leads to procrastination and avoidance. And in my case, it convinced me that I was a hopeless loser that failed at adulting.
ELIANNA (07:46)
Yeah, I feel that I can convince myself, because of the perfectionism, that I don't have enough time. So I won't start, you know, it's like, I have to clean the bedroom. Well, actually, I don't have enough time, because then I'd have to do laundry and do the, and then just walk away from the whole room.
LORINDA (08:27)
Just getting started is so hard. Like you said, know, God, I don't have time to clean this whole room. But what a difference it would make if every time you thought that you folded three pieces of laundry or you picked up.
LORINDA (08:44)
Three random things on the Eventually it adds up the whole room being done. It's just not all at once.
ELIANNA (08:51)
And also it would help my mindset shift. I wouldn't be being a downer about it and thinking how I can't get it done. I'd be like, no, I did something. So that was great
LORINDA (09:03)
Yeah, and it gives you a little dopamine boost too. And that's the other thing is organizing is boring and ADHD brains hate boring. So I, with my clients, I try to gamify it. We do a lot of beat the clock and we do a lot of positive reinforcement. It's little rewards at the end of every session. Cause our brains just associate organizing and cleaning and decluttering with a punishment
ELIANNA (09:12)
Beat the timer, what's that?
LORINDA (09:28)
So you set your timer for however many minutes, know, so like say two minutes, how many dishes can you wash in that two minutes? And then you know that's how many you can do. So each time it's time to do the dishes. You try to do one more than you did the previous time or.
ELIANNA (09:49)
I love that! Because that would help my idea of like I can't get it all done in the amount of time because I'm setting the time and I can just be done after two minutes. Wow, that's genius.
LORINDA (10:00)
Yeah, exactly. And if you don't have a timer,you can use those like random moments during the day, like, you know, when your coffee is brewing or you're heating something up in the microwave.
ELIANNA (10:12)
Awesome. I love that. Thank you. Okay, what organizing techniques tend to work best for people with ADHD and why?
LORINDA (10:20)
So the fewer steps, the better. it kind of depends like what's in your doom pile. If it's mostly laundry then how can we simplify that? Maybe using hooks instead of hangers, because hangers require several steps. Or maybe a no-fold laundry system, like open bins that you can just toss stuff into. Or using a clean laundry hamper. That's one of my favorites that people don't think about.
And if it's paperwork, than trying to alphabetize it all into a filing cabinet, just keep it simple. I have three main categories. I have an action folder, which is for stuff that has a deadline, like bills that need to get paid, that kind of thing. And then I have one that is sort of like a doom box. It's a time will tell folder. I, yeah, yeah.
ELIANNA (11:10)
Time will tell. That's a better name. That's a better name than Doom.
LORINDA 11:17)
And I put everything in there that I'm not sure what I want to do with. Right when I get home from checking the mail and come in the house, the recycle goes into the recycle bin, but then everything else gets sorted into these three categories. So what goes into the time will tell box is the sales flyers, coupons, activities at the library that I might want to attend, you know, that kind of thing. And that way, if as time goes by, time will tell you whether that was important or not. And then you could just toss it.
ELIANNA (11:47)
Yeah. Yeah. When the library event's over, you did or did not go.
LORINDA (11:53)
Right, exactly. And then have a bin that you put your important stuff to file away in. You know, your tax paperwork, insurance paperwork, all of that stuff. And the nice thing is, is if you put it in face down, when at the end of the year, all you have to do is flip it over and everything's in chronological order. So we, there's no need for file cabinets anymore.
ELIANNA (12:15)
Wow. But, okay. The action item filing drawer though, or file folder. I'm really worried if I put it away and I can't see it, I will not look at it.
LORINDA(12:30)
Out of sight, out of mind is a huge thing. And so the key is to keep that action paperwork visible. use, is a clear folder that lives on my kitchen counter. I can't avoid it. It's there, but it's contained. And once it starts to get bigger than this, then I know I have to sit down and go through it.
The key is not to bury it and keep it out of sight because it will just get forgotten about.
ELIANNA (13:06)
Are there strategies that don't work as well even though they're very popular?
LORINDA(13:13)
Yeah, those rainbow sorted pantries. They're so beautiful. But you see on the home edit and whatnot, but they are so unrealistic, honestly unrealistic for everyone. Not just people with ADHD. And I love Maria Kondo. I really do. I just think that her folding method does not work for ADHDers. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense to package these things up into these tiny little rectangles and stand them up in the drawer. And I'll just shove it and just chuck it in there and be done with it.
ELIANNA (13:40)
Yeah, I really appreciate you saying that too. Because I think before I was diagnosed, I would watch those shows and read the books and felt like I wasn't getting it,
LORDINA (13:57)
You know, some people really love the condo method folding. It gives them great satisfaction and a dose of dopamine to see those lined up perfectly in their drawer. But if it doesn't work for you, there's no shame in that. There's 15,000 other ways we can do it.
ELIANNA (14:08)
I hate laundry. That's one of my hardest, hardest, tasks. And it's really every step of the way. And I know you mentioned like making it easier by simplifying So like not having to fold it and all of that. I only wear probably like the same five to 10 dresses and leggings usually. Would it be easier if I just had less?
LORINDA (14:36)
Absolutely, but that's easier said than done. ADHD brains don't like having to make decisions, I'm a nurse, so I wear scrubs most of the time. I say they're scrubs or yoga pants and a t-shirt. ⁓ that's all I have hanging in my closet are seven outfits for the whole week. And I just put them all together on Sunday, and everything's on there, the pants, the shirt. The underwear, the socks, it's all there. So I don't have to think. I just have to know if today's a work day, I grab the scrubs. If today's a day off, I grab the yoga pants and t-shirt.
So the simpler the better.
ELIANNA(15:14)
I like that. So you do kind of, well you're kind of preloading your uniforms for the week so then you don't have to make the decisions later on. These are such good strategies.
LORINDA (15:25)
And another thing I like to do, I buy just one style of sock. That way I don't have to find mates. And my husband likes.
ELIANNA (15:29)
I just learned that trick this year and it works and it's amazing.
LORINDA (15:36)
And also, if you have multiple people and they have, there's multiple sizes of socks or underwear, to put them in one of those lingerie bags that zipper and wash it all together in that bag. That way they're never separated Don't overstuff the bag though. It has to have room to move and spin. The smaller the laundry load, the easier it is to process. So my hampers are ridiculously small. I can really only hold three days worth of clothes in there before it starts to overflow and I have to wash it. And I find that that is so much easier to put that stuff away afterwards and so when the hamper itself is small, it's a natural container. It's a visible reminder for our ADHD brains like, ⁓ okay, it's time to deal with this,
ELIANNA (16:27)
What's one organizing rule that you'd love people for ADHD to let go of?
LORINDA (16:34)
Some of the organizers on TV will tell you take everything out of your closet and lay it on the bed. Well, I don't know about you, but that's a recipe for disaster for me because then next thing you know, I'm left with a bigger mess than when I started.
So I tell people, you know, work your way in from the outside. start with what you can easily see and reach. If you're not sure where to start, then start with the trash. There's, there's always trash. how many iPhone boxes do you have? You know, like, do we really? Oh, cause they're a good box.
ELIANNA (17:05)
Mm-hmm. Why? Why do we all feel like we need to keep those?
It's such a pretty box. It's so smooth, texturally it feels good.
LORINDA (17:14)
I love a good box. Yeah, but we don't need them. And they're taking up our valuable space. So they gotta go.
ELIANNA (17:23)
I was kind of smirking when you first answered the question because I could see my past self just sitting there, Some organizer said, you have to take everything out and put it on your bed so you complete the project before you go to bed. And then I just end up sleeping next to all my crap. When I take everything out, too, it's so overwhelming and then paralyzing.
LORINDA (17:41)
Yeah. Exactly. We are never going to be done with laundry, dishes, mail and trash. It's just always going to keep accumulating and we have to find the least painful way for us to deal with it. And that's going to vary from season to season of life. You know, what's working for you now in two weeks. May not, and you gotta switch it up. And that's okay.
ELIANNA (18:13)
Yeah. I think that's really helpful. Thank you for saying that too.
What's one compassionate mindset shift that can make organizing feel less exhausting?
LORINDA (18:25)
Embrace doing it crappy. Like just do it messy, but do it anyway. Because when something is one minute better, that makes a difference. But let go of that perfection. Let go of that all or nothing mindset.
And that's when you'll start making progress.
ELIANNA (18:43)
Okay, we're gonna, play the listener question.
LISTENER QUESTION (18:48)
I would love some guidance on how to keep my kitchen organized, especially my Tupperware drawer and where I keep my pots and pans. They are the most chaotic. I can get them organized, trying to keep it organized is such a challenge. I will clean it out, I'll get rid of things, and after a week or so, it's just back to being a mess, and I am exhausted by it. So thank you for any tips and suggestions you might have.
LORINDA (19:18)
Well, she's not alone. I think we can all relate to this. And she had mentioned that they're in a drawer, which, you know, yay. At least she doesn't have to worry about them falling on top of her head in an avalanche. you know, she's got one thing going for her already.
Basically, what it comes down to is space versus inventory. We want with our ADHD brains is for things to be as easy to put away as they are to take out. So it sounds like instead of stacking them all nicely, they're just getting shoved in and the drawer is just getting shut. And as long as the drawer shuts, we win. And life goes on until you have to open it again. So my question is, are you really using all of those pots and pans and containers in there at least weekly? Or are there some things in there that are just for special occasions or holidays? And if there are things that you're using less than once a week. Are you able to separate those out and store them elsewhere? That way, everything in that drawer is what you're using on a regular basis.
And the other thing to do is try experimenting with less. If you really do use all of those things every week, try boxing up, you know, half of them or a quarter of them and see how it works with less. Just do it as an You may discover that you might not miss them at all. Or you might discover that you can't live without them, in which case it might be worth looking at. What's in the other cabinets and drawers and are there less important things in there that could be put somewhere else and give those pots and pans and Tupperware that prime real estate instead.
And I think, I don't know about you, but a lot of my Tupperware ends up in the back of the fridge with things, you know, a week or two old in them.
ELIANNA (21:05)
Yep, that's a great idea.
LORDINA (21:33)
And the other thing is, if you don't have enough room to store all of the wine glasses and all of the fancy silverware that you use on holidays, if you're really pressed for space? You know, what can you borrow from somebody else or is there an alternative way? to get it.
ELIANNA (21:50)
And I really like the kind of like, auxiliary storage? extra storage for the stuff that you're not using on a regular basis that's not in like the prime area. My kitchen, and for the pots and pans, and I don't know if this is possible in this person's kitchen, but I really like hanging pots and pans that you can see. Because stacking them in cabinets, really work because it's so hard to take out and put back. You to stack them right. It just seems like a pain.
LORINDA (22:18)
Right, exactly. Yeah, and that goes back to the concept that you want it to be as easy to put away as it is to take then at the end of the question she was having some frustration, some emotion it gets messy again.
ELIANNA
Do you have any suggestions for that?
LORINDA (22:35)
You know, one thing that she might want to try is actually time how long it takes to put them away properly. That way she has some data, and our brains like data, that it really only takes 30 seconds to put this away properly. I can do this. But in our minds, if we don't know how long it takes,
We have great imaginations and we will catastrophize everything and turn it into this insurmountable task. But when we know that it really only takes two and a half minutes to unload our dishwasher and put the stuff away, it gets so much more doable.
ELIANNA (23:14)
Yeah. So are there other examples of making things into a game or how you've gone about that that could work in this case?
LORINDA (23:22)
I work mostly with kids with autism and we do a lot of sticker charts. What if you had your own adult version of a sticker chart and after every time you clean your kitchen or put the stuff away, you get a sticker and at the end of the week you get a big prize, You get to go to the movies or you get to, scroll Instagram for half an hour guilt free or just give yourself some kind of reward at the end of it. Setting the timer, trying to maybe put on a see how much you can get done before the song ends.
ELIANNA (24:00)
I like that too, or like picking up a podcast or something that's maybe a little shorter. That's your kitchen cleaning podcast, you know, And another thing that I kind of like for other rooms of the house is doing like a monthly reset time. I get bored so maybe I once a month switch around the pots and pans or go to the storage area and pick out a few new vases to trade out for the ones that I had out on the table before. maybe like setting a time in your calendar that's like the kitchen reset time.
LORINDA (24:34)
The other thing is, is if you're having trouble remembering to, put the dishes away or, or whatever, smart speakers are an awesome. start the dishwasher, I have my smart speaker programmed. Mornings are the harder part of the day for me. So I have it give me a one hour warning when it's time. You have one hour left before you have to leave to work. Eat your breakfast, put your stuff away, get ready to go. But you could have it remind you to reset your kitchen.
Bedtime or your living room or put the toys away and you could get the whole family involved And that way it's the speaker that's nagging them and not you. It gets to be the bad guy. And it's just another external reminder and extension of our memory. You were delegating that reminding to the speaker and taking that off of our plate.
ELIANNA (25:15)
Yeah, I like that.
LORINDA (25:32)
That's another kind of an unhinged thing but sometimes people will create an alter ego and that alter ego likes to do the task that they don't like put on yeah yeah just have a whole
ELIANNA (25:42)
This is exciting. I think this is gonna work for my laundry situation. There's just a part of my brain that likes laundry and all three of you that's like, this is gonna be fun.
LORINDA (25:52)
Yeah, and you get dressed up as that person and you talk like that person and you are that person and just kind of narrate it like you're on a reality show or something.
ELIANNA (26:01)
I mean, that makes so much sense because it taps into our creativity, so we get to have fun with it.
ELIANNA (26:06)
Okay, great. And then we're gonna do rapid fire questions next, but before that, is there anything you wanna say?
LORINDA (26:13)
Yeah, I got into this because I couldn't get organized on my own. I hired a professional organizer and it was the best decision I ever made. although I do have to say she is a traditional organizer and we did a four hour session and I was done. This was before I knew I had ADHD.
I was just tapped out after that first hour, being the people pleaser I am, and I was just, know, oh yeah, no, I'm fine, I'm fine. It took me days to recover from it, although it was worthwhile. I'm so glad that I did it, but that's when I realized, you know what, there has to be a better way to do it. So I started, you know, once I realized this is a skill that I could learn, I started trying to, you know, get all the information I could.
And I discovered that there's an organization that teaches people how to declutter and organize for neurodivergent brains. I was like, OK, So I did the certificate program as a ADHD organizing specialist. And it's just been incredible.
ELIANNA (27:17)
What's the name of that organization?
LORINDA (27:30)
It's called the ICD, the Institute of Challenging worldwide and you can search their database for someone in your area. And so now I am trying to shift for 2026. I'm shifting to group coaching and online classes so that I can reach more people.
ELIANNA (27:47)
great, okay. Okay, so we can join one of your awesome.
LORINDA (27:54)
Yeah.I have an interest list that people can sign up for to get information on the next round
ELIANNA (28:00)
That's awesome. Well, thank you for helping so many people and especially women with ADHD. I think we have just a huge amount of annoying organizational and cleaning tasks that we have to deal with. And I really appreciate you making it a little bit easier and more fun and manageable and helping us figure out how to kind of move through it all.
What is your favorite thing about having ADHD?
LORINDA (28:25)
I love my whimsical creative brain and I love when it switches into hyper-focus mode because I just, the most amazing things come out of it and I have so much fun.
ELIANNA (28:39)
What is a small thing that makes your ADHD brain light up with joy?
LORINDA (28:44)
My dogs. They are just like constant reminders not to take things too seriously, you know, to just enjoy the moment and go outside and run around.
ELIANNA (28:54)
And we might have heard them a little in the podcast. We might have edited it out, but maybe
LORINDA (28:56)
Yeah.
ELIANNA (28:58)
What's the most random thought you've had recently?
LORINDA (29:02)
It is very random. And I am going to let my nerd flag fly here, okay? I have been contemplating on how J.R.R. Tolkien influenced how we view elves in modern day.
ELIANNA (29:04)
Yes, I can't wait to hear it. Yes, yes, please do.
LORINDA (29:21)
Yeah, you know, back in the Middle Ages, they were small, hidden folk. And now, you know, in, of course, the Lord of the Rings movies, know, Dungeons and Dragons, World of Warcraft, they're these tall, beautiful beings.
Yeah, they used to be shorter.
ELIANNA Wow, okay. What's a helpful understanding about how your brain works that you're excited to share?
LORINDA (29:39)
That it's okay to leave things unfinished when it comes to decluttering, to embrace doing it crappy, and that it's not a one and done project, so every little bit counts.
And this is a little divergent, but embrace doing it crappy.
ELIANNA
Like, just tell me more.
LORINDA (30:15)
Yeah, just give it a try. You don't have to do it forever. Think of it as an experiment. Next time you look at your kitchen floor and say, I've got to mop this whole thing, but I don't have time. Get a wet paper towel and swish it with your foot. Pick up that coffee stain and let that be the win of the day.
ELIANNA (30:35)
Okay, I can do it.
LORINDA (30:35)
And doing it crappy doesn't mean lowering your standards or not being clean or whatever.
Or you can also try to come up with the crappiest way to do something. Challenge yourself. Like, ⁓ I really cannot deal with cleaning my bathroom right now. What is the least amount that I could get away with? And maybe it's just swishing the brush around the toilet or getting the toothpaste out of the sink.
Yeah, or like taking a wide stroke and dropping everything in a drawer. Maybe just closing the toothpaste.
ELIANNA
Final question. What is your most useful ADHD hack?
LORINDA (31:16)
Mm-hmm.exactly. Never underestimate the power of five minutes. You would be surprised how much you can get done in that short amount of time. If you don't believe me, take this as a challenge and go do it. And then come back and tell me about it on Instagram. Yeah.
ELIANNA (31:44)
I mean, but that's so true because I, yeah, we catastrophize and then we also think I won't start something because I think it's gonna take too long and then worry about it and then when I actually do it, it takes two minutes or less. Okay, power of five minutes, I love it. Amazing, thank you. Anything else you wanna add?
LORDINA (32:09)
As women we tend to be really hard on ourselves and I like to remind the ladies that I work with that you are worthy and you deserve love and respect regardless of the clutter.
ELIANNA (32:25)
Yeah, we are worthy. we should not let it define us by any means.
LORINDA (32:29)
Yeah, clutter is morally neutral. You're not better if you have none and you're not bad if you have it. It is just a thing. It doesn't define us at all.
ELIANNA (32:39)
Yep. So beautiful, thank you. Thank you for, and thank you for talking with me and, okay, good, good.
LORINDA(32:46)
You're welcome. my gosh, this was so much fun.
ELIANNA (32:56)
Huge thank you to Larinda for all of your great advice today. I learned so much and I'm excited to try some of the new tips and tricks that you shared about organizing. But really, I'm just gonna go about it with a much lighter approach than I have been and I think that's gonna make all the difference in the world. Thank you also to you, our listeners, for listening to this episode of ADHDFM.
If something from today's episode resonated with you, I invite you to share with a friend, leave a quick review, or send me a message. Huge thank you to our producer and editor, Marion Cunningham. You can reach us on Instagram at ADHDFM or on TikTok at ADHDFM.com. Until next time, take care of yourself, give your brain a little grace, and keep finding what works for you. Goodbye.
